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The interview below was recently with Mr. Spencer Feldman, the creator of Medicardium. Although some portions contain opinions which are unique to Mr. Feldman, much of the interview involves "EDTA basics" that we felt would be helpful to our Alpha Omega customers. Read and enjoy, and if you have comments for us, just email us.

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Gabor: I'm speaking with Spencer Feldman, the inventor of Medicardium EDTA chelation by suppository. Spencer, I ve heard some wonderful things about your product. For the benefit of our listeners who may now know much about chelation, can you tell us first, what EDTA chelation is?
Feldman: Sure, EDTA chelation is process that doctors have been using for the last 50 years to remove toxic metals like lead from their client's bodies.
Gabor: You said that chelation uses EDTA, what exactly is EDTA?
Feldman: EDTA is an amino acid that has also been used as a food preservative. You actually are already taking a little EDTA since it is added to many foods and drinks.*
* --- [AO Editor: EDTA is used in foods as a sequestering agent, primarily to prevent certain metals, such as iron and copper, from negatively impacting the flavor, freshness, or appearance of the target food product. It is GRAS-approved (Generally Regarded As Safe) by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration.]
Gabor: What is chelation used for?
Feldman: Well, in the beginning, chelation was used specifically to help remove lead from people who had lead exposure, but over time, chelation has been shown to have many other benefits.
Gabor: Like what?
Feldman: Chelation has been used to reduce the risk of heart attacks and cancer, the two top causes of all deaths. Chelation is also able to remove other toxic metals like aluminum, mercury, arsenic, uranium, cadmium and nickel from the body. Chelation can be used to help rejuvenate all the organs and glands of the body making you look and feel years younger, and can increase our lifespan up to 50%.
Gabor: Wow, that s a lot of uses for one simple molecule. Let's start with the first one, you said that chelation can reduce the risk of heart attacks.
Feldman: Yes, studies have shown that chelation can reduce the risk of dying of a heart attack 86%.
Gabor: That s remarkable. Can you explain more?
Feldman:Sure, the first thing to understand is what causes a heart attack. Do you think it s high cholesterol? Think again. Nearly ½ of all heart attack patients in the Emergency Room have normal cholesterol. Heck, hibernating bears have cholesterols of nearly 600 yet there are no documented cases of bears having heart attacks.
Gabor: So what causes heart attacks?
Feldman:The majority of heart attacks are caused when a bit of plaque that has formed on an artery wall breaks off and gets caught in the hearts blood supply. Blood and oxygen can't get to the heart, and part of it dies. Sometimes these plaques get so large that even if they don't break off, they can still block off the flow of blood, but this is less common. When this takes place, it usually does so slowly over time and the body has enough time to create new routes for the blood to travel. It's when plaque breaks off suddenly and without warning that a heart attack occurs.
Gabor: Wouldn't a person know if they have plaques building up in their arteries?
Feldman: Actually no, arteries can be up to 75% blocked without any symptoms whatsoever. These plaques begin forming when we're teenagers, so it's a safe bet that some have already begun to build up in your body.
Gabor: So if I understand properly, the questions are, "What causes these plaques to break off, and what can we do to shrink the ones we already have?"
Feldman: To understand what causes a plaque to break off, we need to talk about the arteries. Arteries aren't like cooper pipes, they're more like rubber hoses. They have to expand and contract with each heartbeat. Every time the heart beats, a pulse of blood travels down the arteries causing them to stretch. When the blood passes by, the artery expands to accommodate the extra blood, and then it shrinks back to its regular shape. Now plaque is attached to the walls of these arteries, so when an artery expands and contracts from the pulse of blood, the plaque has to expand and contract with it. Now the heart beats about 100,000 times a day, and about 38 million times a year, so you can imagine that the plaque can get loosened up over time. Here is the important part, the bigger the pulse of blood, the more the artery has to stretch and the more likely the plaque is too break free from the artery wall. So one of the keys to avoiding heart attacks is to keep the pulse of blood from getting to large.
Gabor: How do I know if my arteries are being overly stretched by this pulse of blood?
Feldman: The technical term for the pulse of blood is pulse pressure, and you can find out your pulse pressure very easily. Just take the two numbers of your blood pressure and find the difference between them. As an example, a person who had a blood pressure of 120 over 80 would have a pulse pressure of 40. 40 or below is an optimal pulse pressure. The blood gets to where it needs to go, and the arteries aren't overly stretched. Lets try another one. Say a person has a blood pressure of 135 over 70. This person has a pulse pressure of 65. Now looking at his blood pressure alone, you wouldn't think he is in a high-risk category, but his pulse pressure is much too high. As a matter of fact, a pulse pressure of 65 or more triples the risk of heart attack.
Gabor: So you want the two numbers on the blood pressure test to be smaller not bigger?
Feldman: Exactly, the pulse pressure should not be over 40. So, now you know the real value of a blood pressure test, it is how far apart the numbers are. This tells you how much the arteries are being stretched, how likely the plaque on those arteries is to rupture.
Gabor: So the next question is how can we lower our pulse pressure?
Feldman: There are only two ways to lower pulse pressure. One is to try to relax, and the other is to clean the excess calcium out of the arteries. The best way to lower a high pulse pressure caused by stress is to supplement with magnesium and potassium. These are nature's tranquilizers. It's a deficiency of these two minerals that causes people to get overly stressed in the first place so it makes sense to supplement with these two minerals to help get more relaxed.
Gabor: What about removing calcium from the arteries, how can we do that?
Feldman: Calcium in the arteries is called arteriosclerosis. It causes the arteries to harden and become brittle. The best way to clean calcium out the arteries is with EDTA chelation. The EDTA molecule pulls the calcium out of the arteries where it doesn't belong and puts it back in the bones and teeth where it does belong.
Gabor: I understand, so is that why you made a form of chelation that combined magnesium, potassium and EDTA all together?
Feldman: Exactly, we combined the stress reducing qualities of magnesium and potassium with the artery cleaning abilities of EDTA. Until now, chelation was combined with sodium and or calcium, the very minerals known to RAISE pulse pressure. That doesn't make much sense does it? That's why we made our magnesium and potassium-based EDTA, it works both to lower pulse pressure AND to clean out the arteries.
Gabor: That's amazing. Thanks for explaining it. You said that chelation also helps prevent cancer. Can you talk about that?
Feldman: Sure. That information comes from a study done in Switzerland 12 years ago. They gave 15 chelation sessions to a group of people and came back several years later to see how they were doing.
Gabor: What did they find?
Feldman: What they found was that the group of people who had received the chelation had 90% less cancer than their neighbors who had the same jobs, ate the same food, lived in the same town&
Gabor: 90% reduction in cancer risk, that s remarkable. How does it do that?
Feldman: Nobody's really sure, but we think that it s be due to the ability of chelation to removal of toxic metals from the body. You see, back in the early 1900's when the levels of toxic metals we were exposed to was much less, cancer killed 1 out of 20 people, nowadays we are exposed to high levels of toxic metals, and cancer kills 1 out of 3 people. After chelation, the cancer risk goes back to 1 out of 20 again, and one of the things that chelation does it remove toxic metals.
Gabor: So toxic metals cause cancer?
Feldman: That's what it looks like.
Gabor: And removing them prevents it?
Feldman: Exactly.
Gabor: Just where are we getting these metals from anyway?
Feldman: Good question. All right, let's take two metals as an example, mercury and aluminum. The average American has several fillings in his or her mouth, but if we were to take just one out and put it in a ½ acre lake, the environmental protection agency would have to designate that lake a toxic waste site, and you wouldn't be allowed to eat fish from that lake. Here's another one, imagine a 12-inch square of aluminum foil. That weights about 5 grams. 5 grams of aluminum, but in your lifetime, you will eat drink or inhale about 300 of those aluminum foil squares, over 3 pounds of aluminum.
Gabor: But where does it come from?
Feldman: Well, drinking water is all purified with aluminum, it's found in baking soda, antacids, baby formulas, aluminum pots and pans, even underarm antiperspirant.
Gabor: So these things are all around us.
Feldman: Yes, and inside of us as well.
Gabor: Can you give me some more examples?
Feldman: Sure, lead is found in cosmetics, plastics and soldered pipes. Arsenic is found in cigarette smoke, laundry detergents and beer. Cadmium is found in water softeners, soft drinks and seafood. Barium is found in soaps, paper and paint. Nickel is found in stainless steel cutlery, dental fillings, coins. And uranium, well given that there have been over 2,000 nuclear detonations on this planet since Hiroshima we are all breathing uranium.
Gabor: Can't the body get rid of these on it s own?
Feldman: Only to a point. You see, part of what makes these metals so difficult to get rid of is that to the body, they look just like other minerals, minerals we need. I call them mineral masqueraders.
Gabor: Can you explain?
Feldman: Sure. Take mercury and selenium for example. Our soil is terribly deficient in selenium, but we need it to stay healthy. Now to the body, mercury looks just like selenium, so when we become selenium deficient, (which most of us are unless we supplement), we will absorb mercury, thinking it is selenium.
Gabor: And then it s hard to get it out?
Feldman: Exactly, the body says, "Hey, I need this." Here's another example, aluminum and magnesium. Virtually everyone is deficient in magnesium as well and to the body aluminum looks just like magnesium.
Gabor: Uh oh.
Feldman: Uh oh is right, do you know one of the places where magnesium is used?
Gabor: No.
Feldman: The brain. Now you understand the aluminum alzhiemers connection. The body thought it was magnesium and put it up there, where is causes the disease. That's another reason to keep enough magnesium in the body, it keeps you from absorbing aluminum.
Gabor: Are there any other mineral masqueraders?
Feldman: Sure, lead masquerades as calcium, cadmium masquerades as zinc.
Gabor: And EDTA chelation can remove all of these toxic metals?
Feldman: In time, yes.
Gabor: You said that chelation could help rejuvenate our bodies, can you explain?
Feldman: Sure. There are three main causes of aging, damage to DNA, autoimmune reactions and the loss of circulation. Okay, lets start with the first one, our DNA. All right, toxic metals like mercury damage our DNA, which is our instruction booklet for how to make new cells. Every day we wear our some cells, and have to make new ones. If we try to make new cells and the instructions are wrong, then we make faulty parts. That's part of aging. If the instructions are wrong in a particular place, we may make cancer cells.
Gabor: So removing the toxic metals protects our DNA?
Feldman: Exactly.
Gabor: Okay, how about autoimmunity? How does that cause aging and how does chelation help with it?
Feldman: Toxic metals are one of the main causes of autoimmune reactions. What happens is that the metals get incorporated into the structure of the body, and then the immune system no longer recognizes that part of the body. The job of the immune system is to attack anything that isn t you, so if the immune system doesn't recognize your joints for instance and begins to attack them, you could end up with arthritis. If the immune system doesn't recognize the pancreas, you could end up with diabetes. That is what an auto-immune reaction is, it s the immune system attacking the body. Arthritis, lupus, Chrones disease, M.S., diabetes, all are autoimmune diseases. A lot of anti-aging doctors think that these autoimmune reactions are one of the main causes of aging, and that if we could stop attacking our own bodies, we would last a lot longer.
Gabor: You also said that we age because of poor circulation, can you elaborate on that?
Feldman: Sure. As we age, it s not just the big arteries that get clogged, but also all of the little capillaries that feed the skin and organs of the body. They are much smaller and narrower than arteries and it only takes a little clot or plaque to block them up. Without blood flow there is no oxygen or nutrition in and that part of the body dies. If this happens in the heart, we know what that is.
Gabor: A heart attack?
Feldman: Right, and if it happens in the brain?
Gabor: A stroke?
Feldman: Right again, but what happen if it takes place in other organs or glands. Let's say just a small part of the lung, or a little part of the liver?
Gabor: I don t know.
Feldman: A person might just get a shooting pain for a minute and then that part is dead. This takes place all over the body in countless tiny capillaries no wider than a human hair every day. Any one of these getting clogged up is not a problem, but the cumulative damage of thousands upon thousands of these getting blocked causes problems. Problems we call aging.
Gabor: So by keeping all the capillaries open the whole body can ] get what it needs?
Feldman: Exactly, the whole body stays healthy and nourished.
Gabor: You talked about calcium building up in the arteries, is that the only place it builds up?
Feldman: Actually, calcium builds up everywhere in the body as we age. In essence, part of the aging process is that we gradually turn to stone.
Gabor: Can you give us some examples?
Feldman: Sure. Calcium in the kidneys forms kidney stones, calcium in the gall bladder forms gall stones, calcium in the joints causes arthritis, calcium in the skin causes wrinkles, calcium in the muscles causes stiffness, and eventually fibromyalgia. We even develop calcium in the brain, pathologists call it brain sand.
Gabor: Is this normal, I mean do we all get it?
Feldman: Yes, this is one of the processes of aging. Let's look at calcium in the muscles, for instance. When we are young, there is no calcium build up in the muscles. The muscles of a young child are soft and flexible. This is healthy. Now look at the muscles of say a 25 year old. They will probably have a few knows in their upper neck. This is the beginning of calcium accumulations. Now look at the neck and shoulders of a 45 year old. He will have some and know that they never seem to go away.
Gabor: More calcium?
Feldman: Yes. Now, feel the muscles of someone in their 60's or 70's, the muscles are rigid, hard and knotty. They are filled with calcium. They are turning to stone. The ultimate expression of this is, of course, rigor mortis.
Gabor: You mean when someone dies and the get all-stiff like a board?
Feldman: Yes, when we die, all the remaining calcium floods into the muscles and you turn in to one big knot. Of course, this process is happening as we age.
Gabor: So a knotted muscle is the same as rigor mortis?
Feldman: On a local scale, yes. There's a condition where this happens in the extreme, you may have heard of it, it's called fibromyalgia.
Gabor: And these are all calcium deposits?
Feldman: Yes, that's what they are.
Gabor: And chelation can stop this from happening?
Feldman: Yes, it takes the calcium out of the organs and muscles and glands where it doesn't belong, and puts it back into the bones and teeth where it does belong.
Gabor: So as we age, the calcium leaves our bones and goes in our muscles and organs?
Feldman:Yes.
Gabor: And chelation puts it back in the bones?
Feldman: Yes, that's right. The average man and woman will lose 35 to 40% pf their bone mass by the time they are 75 years old, about one percent per year from age 30. And you know where that calcium is going to don't you?
Gabor: The organs and muscles.
Feldman: Right. But if you are on chelation, you will actually gain 1% bone mass per year.
Gabor: So without chelation we are all going to have osteoporosis?
Feldman: In varying degrees, yes ... unless you are willing to do weight bearing exercise for the rest of your life, and even then it is hard to stop the bone thinning process.
Gabor: And what about aging, you said that EDTA might increase maximum lifespan?
Feldman: We don't know about for humans, but for some animals anyway, daily use of EDTA increased lifespan 50%.
Gabor: I don't know if I want to live until I'm 120.
Feldman: No one would want to if they were old and sickly. There was that woman in France, Jeanne Calment, who recently died at 122 -- but she was a mess, blind, deaf, and she could hardly move. But what if you were young and vibrant?
Gabor: Then 140 isn t long enough!
Feldman: Exactly.
Gabor: Why don't we know if it would work with humans?
Feldman: Well, for one thing, the test would take 120 years to complete. In animals, with naturally short lifespans they lived 50% longer. When the normal animals without the chelation were dying, these animals with the chelation were still jumping around, enjoying life -- being active. They were vital longer. I can tell you that the people I know who have been doing chelation for a long time look much younger than their contemporaries who don't.
Gabor: Okay, you've convinced me, but you make the EDTA chelation as a suppository, isn't there another way to take it?
Feldman: Well, you could spend 3 hours in a chair with a needle in your arm in a doctor's office every time you wanted to do it instead.
Gabor: No thanks. Can't I just take a pill?
Feldman: Sorry, EDTA chelation is destroyed by stomach acid. That's why we use a suppository, no acid in the colon to destroy it. It's no big deal, it's dissolved in 5 minutes and you're done. Just driving to a physician who practices intravenous chelation takes longer than that.

(AO Editor: It should be noted that this is the contrarian's view. There are a number of physicians who feel that oral chelation, taken in conjunction with intravenous chelation, has a synergistic effect - since heavy metals can get stored in the intestines, as well.)

Gabor: You're right. Any other effects that chelation has?
Feldman: Well, if you use the form with the magnesium and potassium (as with Medicardium) in it there are a whole range of unexpected benefits not associated with the chelation itself but are due to the minerals.
Gabor: Such as?
Feldman: Well, users have reported that it helps with insomnia, PMS cramps, all types of headaches including migraines, anxiety, stress, diabetes, and depression.
Gabor: All that from just magnesium and potassium?
Feldman: Yes, but that s probably another entire session ...


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Gabor: Welcome back, we have with us Spencer Feldman and he is going to discuss the role of magnesium and potassium in health. Welcome back, Spencer.
Feldman: Thanks . . . Well, I guess I left you with a bit of a cliffhanger last time regarding the magnesium and the potassium so let's talk about that. Our nervous system has 2 settings, one for normal everyday life, and one for emergency situations. You've probably heard of the emergency response, one name for it is the fight or flight response.
Gabor: That's when you either fight for your life, or run for your life?
Feldman: Exactly. This is a very ancient system and it was designed to help us with physically dangerous situations. Take a caveman, for instance. There he is, walking out of his cave on one sunny morning, minding his own business, when out from behind a boulder jumps a large and hungry sabertooth tiger. [Both laugh.] In order to survive, he is either going to have to run very fast or fight very hard.
Gabor: Even then he's probably going to die.
Feldman: Well... let's hope not. In this situation, the body, in its infinite wisdom gives the caveman every ounce of strength he's got. Any activities not immediately involved in survival get turned off so that the little bit of energy they would normally get goes to the muscles of the legs if he is going to run, or the muscles of his arms if he is going to fight. Can you think of any systems that the caveman won t need immediately?
Gabor: Is digestion one?
Feldman: Yes. It makes no sense in digesting the mastodon steak he had for breakfast, if he is going to be dead in the next minute, so stress turns off the digestive system.
Gabor: How about the immune system?
Feldman: Yes, that too. If the caveman has a cold or an infected wound, it won't matter if he's dead in two minutes. So stress essentially turns off the immune system - or at least suppresses it. Growth and repair get turned off, too. If the body needs to replace some worn out cells, they have to wait. If there was an injury, it has to wait. Stress will turn off all growth and repair systems as well.
Gabor: Stress does all that?
Feldman: It has to.
Gabor: But we're not going to see a sabertooth tiger now in the 21st century.
Feldman: That's true, but do you get caught in traffic jams, or have arguments with your co-workers, or have stress about bills or watching the news?
Gabor: Yes.
Feldman: Well, as far as your body is concerned, these are all sabertooth tigers of various sizes. Our body doesn't know one stressor [STIMULUS] from another. It only has one response.
Gabor: Turn off all the things we need to stay alive.
Feldman: Exactly. Sleep is another one. You shouldn't be laying down to take a nap if you being chased by that tiger.
Gabor: So stress causes insomnia.
Feldman: Absolutely.
Gabor: What else?
Feldman: All right, so you're the body and you think you are being confronted by a sabertooth tiger, which probably means you're going to be bitten or mauled, and you don't want to bleed to death so what does your body do?
Gabor: It makes your blood start to clot?
Feldman: Exactly. It makes your blood get ready to for scabs so that if you do bleed, you can form a scab in a hurry and not lose too much blood.
Gabor: I guess that s a good thing if there really is a sabertooth tiger, but how does that affect us today?
Feldman: Well, if your blood is on the verge of clotting, that means it is very thick and hard to push, that makes more work for the heart, it also makes the plaque formation we talked about earlier more likely.
Gabor: So that's why stress is thought to cause heart disease, it overworks the heart and makes the blood clot.
Feldman: Exactly, and remember pulse pressure, how it causes the arteries to stretch, making the plaque break loose.
Gabor: Yes.
Feldman: Well, stress can double your pulse pressure and keep it there indefinately.
Gabor: So let me see if I have all of this, stress will cause Poor digestion A weak immune system Turns off our growth and repair systems Causes insomnia And can cause heart attacks. Is that all?
Feldman: Well, you probably know that stress has also been associated with cancer and, oh yes, stress makes you stupid.
Gabor: Stress makes you stupid?
Feldman: Yep, you see when you are in a survival stress response, you don't need to have a good memory, or be able to think abstract thoughts or feel loving, or happy, or creative, or solve problems, you need fast reflexes. When you are under stress, all your higher brain functions get turned off so you can concentrate on running of fighting, and these are animal skills. You see, we really have 3 brains, a reptile brain, surrounded by a mammal brain, surrounded by a human brain. The reptile brain beats out heart, moves our lungs, and is in charge of reflexes and survival. The mammal brain gives us emotions and some learning abilities, and the human brain is where we have language, logic, reasoning, creativity, music, the arts, perceive beauty, etc.
Gabor: And stress turns of the mammalian and human brains?
Feldman: Yes, that's right, and all you are left with is the reptile brain. You don't need to be a philosopher when you are running for your life. Think of a snake -- very fast reflexes, but not too smart. You wouldn't see a gecko compose a symphony, but boy can they move. So when you are under stress, don t expect to be smart -- that's a human characteristic. Don't expect to be a nice person either, or particularly social -- that's a mammalian characteristic. Expect the behavior of a reptile, and to top it off, long term stress actually makes your brain shrink.
Gabor: Okay, got it, stress is bad. So how do we stop being stressed, go live on a mountain? Take a stress management class?
Feldman: The trick isn't to avoid being stressed. That's impossible. The trick is to be able to turn off the stress response when it doesn't serve you.
Gabor: How do we do that?
Feldman: Well, there are four minerals that control the stress response, sodium, calcium, magnesium, and potassium. Sodium and calcium turn on the stress response and magnesium and potassium turn it off.
Gabor: But don't I need calcium?
Feldman: Oh absolutely, it's only when there isn't enough magnesium and potassium around to balance it out that it stress gets out of control.
Gabor: Don't I get magnesium and potassium in my diet?
Feldman: Potassium isn't too much of a problem as long as you eat fruit -- bananas are an excellent source. But magnesium, that's another story. You see magnesium is lacking in our foods.
Gabor: Why is that?
Feldman: Well, back in 1840 with publication, a German scientist named Justus von Liebig discovered that if you put 3 particular minerals back in the soil, you could grow crops on the same piece of land over and over again without needing to move around. This was a big discovery because for the last 10,000 years, farmers knew that if they planted their crops on the same soil more than a few times in a row without letting the soil regenerate, the crops would die.
Gabor: You re talking about artificial fertilizer.
Feldman: Exactly, von Liebig discovered that if you put nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium back into the soil, you could grow your crops in the same soil year after year without any problem. Years later von Liebig said that he had made a terrible mistake, and that you actually needed to put back more than just those 3 minerals into the soil, but not for the plants, but it was too late. You see, a plant is a pretty simple life form, it doesn't need too many minerals, just give it nitrogen, potassium and phosphorous and it is happy. We humans, however, are more complicated. We need other things.
Gabor: Like magnesium.
Feldman: That's right, we need magnesium. Since we get our minerals either from the plants or the animals that eat the plants, if we want to be healthy, we have to give the plants all the minerals that we need, not just the ones that they need.
Gabor: So all our food is mineral deficient.
Feldman: Certain minerals, yes, specifically, magnesium.
Gabor: And without magnesium we can't turn off the stress response.
Feldman: Now you've got it. As a matter of fact, you can trace the explosion in chronic diseases to the time when we began using artificial fertilizer.
Gabor: Amazing. So we should supplement our diets with magnesium.
Feldman: Yes, but you need to do it right. Magnesium is a very hard mineral to absorb even when it is in our food.
Gabor: So what do you suggest?
Feldman: Well, the best magnesium I've found is magnesium mixed with EDTA.
Gabor: Like the kind in your EDTA chelation product.
Feldman: Yes, precisely. The EDTA form of magnesium is very well absorbed.
Gabor: Is that why I feel so calm after taking your product?
Feldman: Yes, what you are feeling is the magnesium turning off the stress response. For many people it can be a profound experience.
Gabor: What about other magnesium products?
Feldman: There are a lot of other ways to take magnesium, but I've never found one that works as well.

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